9 May 2024 8.30am – 10.15am + Add to calendar Breakfast Seminar Fidelity International, Cannon Street

AREF Members are invited to this second event in a new series organised by the AREF Education & Training Committee. 

The second event in the series will will look at the difference between equity/debt funds, types of debt, the history, investors needs and viable investment strategies.


Thursday 9th May 2024


08:30am – networking and coffee & breakfast
09:00am – session starts
10:15am – session finishes. 


Fidelity International
4 Cannon Street


  • Moderator:  Patrick Groves, Partner, CMS Cameron McKenna Nabarro Olswang LLP
  • Speaker: Emma Jack, Executive Director, PGIM Real Estate
  • Speaker: Tom Goodwin, Real Estate Investment Research Specialist - Alternatives , Mercers
Patrick Groves

Patrick Groves

Partner, CMS Cameron McKenna Nabarro Olswang LLP

Patrick Groves joined CMS (formerly Nabarro) in 2011 and is a Partner in their Funds and Indirect Real Assets team in London. He advises managers and investors on all aspects of indirect transactions, with an emphasis on fund structuring and advisory work across the real estate, private equity, debt and alternatives space.
Emma Jack

Emma Jack

Executive Director, PGIM Real Estate

Emma Jack is an executive director with PGIM Real Estate and head of portfolio management for Asia Pacific debt strategies. Emma is responsible for the development and implementation of debt strategies across the region. Emma is a member of the Asia Pacific Debt Investment Committee and the Asia Investment Grade Sub-Committee.

Previously, Emma was head of originations for European debt responsible for new business across our full range of debt products in Europe.

Emma joined PGIM Real Estate in 2017 with over 10 years in the commercial real estate industry.

Prior to her role at PGIM, Emma was a partner at AgFe, managing investments across direct real estate lending, loan-on-loan, CMBS and B-notes across the UK and mainland Europe. Earlier in her career, Emma worked in the Real Estate Private Equity team at Lehman Brothers, covering both mezzanine and equity investments

Emma received her bachelor’s degree in International Relations from the London School of Economics. Emma is Swedish and has lived and worked in Sweden, France and the UK.

Tom Goodwin

Tom Goodwin

Senior Real Estate Investment Research Specialist, Mercer

Tom Goodwin is a Principal in the Real Estate Investment Team at Mercer Alternatives and responsible for the investment and research coverage of European and UK real estate strategies, with a focus on long-income and real estate debt. Since joining Mercer in 2014 he has obtained the IMC and the CFA designation.


  • AREF Members: This webinar is FREE and open to all staff from AREF Fund, Affiliate, Associate and Investor member firms (view our list of members here). 
  • Trial Members:  Non-members are welcome to join this event for a fee of £100+VAT.  Please email us at info@aref.org.uk if you wish to register.

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Other events in the series:

The first session took place in November 2023 - you can view the post-event details here.  There will then be a third session on regulation and risk in debt in the Spring.